for example, lloyd benson did well, you'll remember, lloyd benson in '88 against dan quayle, but benson's ticket lost. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine, yes. okay, new pew poll out today shows mitt romney with a four-point lead over president obama among likely voters, but of course, everyone is watching polls from the key battleground states -- ohio, florida, michigan, to some extent now. is there any indication, or do you see any trends looking at the national numbers that tell you, do they influence voters in swing states? do they give us an indication of how voting might go in swing states? >> oh, absolutely, on the latter, an indication. one of the reasons we at gallup focus a lot on the national numbers is because the same tide that will sweep voters nationally usually will move voters in the swing states. it's very rare that the national numbers don't reflect what's in the swing states or the electoral college. 200020 being the most recent exception. so yes, if we're seeing romney doing better nationally, there's no doubt we will see him, as we have in some